Were continuing our conversation with david rosenvall. Carr, president of book of mormon archaeological forum, were sending you a copy of his last article. We will talk about this area more in depth and will show a connection between the jaredites and the nephites in a moment, but for now lets talk about limhis group, and the discovery made by descendants of zeniffs colony, about 121 b. These single page descriptions of a specific book of mormon site are designed to provide pertinent information to the traveler about the site.
In 1981, palmer identified geographical conditions required for the book of mormon hill ramahcumorah. As each new theory surfaces, we gain fresh hope of acquiring additional insights into. The verses above describe nephite lands north of cumorah and near cumorah about a. Cumorah also called mormon hill is a drumlin near manchester, new york, where joseph smith, jr. Cumorah and the limited mesoamerican theory religious. Mormon and moronis cumorah is claimed by many believers to be the same land containing the modern hill cumorah near joseph smiths home in palmyra, western new york, from whence the gold plates of the book of mormon were retrieved. A every single item of physical evidence for the book of mormon people disappeared without a trace, or b the book of mormon is a work of fiction invented circa 1830. This blog focuses on the historicity and geography of the book of mormon. Cumorah true book of mormon geography lands western new. Why cant we find any evidences at the hill cumorah of the. A geographical l overview of the western new york setting at a time when primeval forests and ancient waters filled much more of the land than. The book of mormon geography lands and map with dna evidence.
This reasoning simply means that if the jaredites and the olmecs are the same people, as defined in exploring the lands of the book of mormon, then the hill cumorah is in the area of veracruz because that is where the hill ramah is located. The land of cumorah was north of the narrow neck but was not within the jaredite land northward. Having placed the hill ramah cumorah, the waters of ripliancum and the city jordan in the eastern region of book of mormon lands, in this section we highlight scriptures that pertain to the final migration of the jaredite civilation from west to east, as they approached ramah. In the text of the book of mormon, cumorah is a hill located in a. Cumorah true book of mormon geography lands western.
According to joseph smith and subsequent presidents and apostles of the lds church, the geographical extent of book of mormon lands included virtually all of north and south america. What the book of mormon says about cumorahs location book. Ive actually searched the area myself but i couldnt even find an arrowhead. As the above logo depicts, we do respect this mandate, and our model is unique in this regard. The book of mormon land of zarahemla and a land among many waters by cumorah, are so near each other, that travelers from the south mistook one region for the other. Lands south of cumorah, where a few nephites had temporarily. Sperry articulate it, the argument that the hill cumorah ramah must be located relatively close to zarahemla is based on several pieces of textual evidence. New evidences for the book of mormon from ancient mexico.
Cumorah was near the east sea in the land northward, and the limited evidence suggests that it was probably not many days travel from the narrow neck of land mosiah 8. What is the hemispheric geography theory regarding the location of book of mormon lands. Proponents of a limited mesoamerican geography also find evidence for the nearness of the hill ramah or cumorah in the account of the final jaredite battles in the closing chapters of the book of ether noting that the events mentioned there seem to have occurred near the land of moron and the center of jaredite lands just north of the narrow neck. In 1981, palmer identified geographical conditions required for the book of mormon hill ramah cumorah. Oct 7, 20 the book of mormon geography geography map, dna, lands zarahemla, cumorah, narrow neck, mexico, caribbean sea, american indians, and true evidence. What the book of mormon says about cumorahs location. Plausibility, probability, and the cumorah question. Allen, exploring the lands of the book of mormon orem, ut. Not long after the book of mormon was published, latterday saints began speculating about the location of this hill. Jaredite lands sea north hill shim land of cumorah and the lord warned omer in a dream that he should depart out. Apr 17, 2016 as near as i can tell, the primary source that the mesoamerican proponents rely on to reject the new york cumorah from an archaeological standpoint is an article by john e.
It was crossed by the jaredite omer who fled jaredite lands who lived for a time on its eastern shore called ablom of an unnamed body of wat. Although the book of mormon is primarily a religious record of the nephites, lamanites, and jaredites, enough geographic details are embedded in the narrative to allow reconstruction of at least a rudimentary geography of book of mormon lands. The words ramah and vigia have the same meaningthat of a lookout hill, or a hill overlooking a. The prophet ether was present on or near to the hill ramah the same hill as cumorah when the jaredites were destroyed there, and he apparently left his 24 golden plates at or near to the hill cumorah in the land of desolation ether 15. While it has been commonly believed that the hill in new york where joseph smith received the gold plates is the same hill cumorah described in the book of. Just because there happens to be a hill called cumorah in new york does not mean the book of mormon people lived there. Im trying to figure out how come there have been no artifacts found of the final great battle on hill cumorah near palmyra, new york. These scouts found the 24 golden plates of the prophet ether at or near to the hill cumorah, in the land of desolation. Other geographical clues given in the book of mormon appear to situate cumorah north of the narrow neck of land and near an eastern seacoast cf. There are so many wellwatered areas in southern mexico that in order for waters, rivers, and fountains to be useful differentiators, ramahcumorah must be near more arid territory 6.
By following carefully worded geographical descriptions recorded by various ancient book of mormon scribes, and by careful attention to such things as geology, archaeology, hydrology and mineralogy, the lost lands of the book of mormon emerge in an area not more than 80 miles from the hill cumorah in new york state. Consider that all the destruction that occurred in the americas at the time of christs crucifixion happened at least 350 years before the last battles of the nephites. Richard hauck, deciphering the geography of the book of mormon salt lake city. Please practice handwashing and social distancing, and check out our resources for adapting to these times. Book of mormon geography, the near cumorah setting book of. Proposed book of mormon geographical setting wikipedia. Whatever you feel is fine with us, but but we strongly believe the book of mormon plates were buried in the hill cumorah in upstate new york and the last battles of the nephites happened near that same hill. The hill cumorah hill ramah book of mormon vacation. The book of mormon describes the final battle place between the nephites and lamanites as the land and hill cumorah. Others view the modern hill cumorah to be distinct from the original, and simply to have been named after it. Views on book of mormon geography, privately circulated book of mormon working paper no. I recently returned from 11 days in guatemala where i collaborated with bright people such as mark wright, diane wirth, dave gray, rick callister, van dunham, neal rappleye, stephen smoot, and rolando amado. Jan 12, 2016 this is my best book of mormon lands map to date.
Clark titled archaeology and cumorah questions, published by the journal of book of mormon studies, 12 2004. Oct 7, 20 the book of mormon geography geography map, dna, lands zarahemla, cumorah, narrow neck, mexico, caribbean sea, american indians, and. The scientific search for nephite remains mormons in. And all the ancient plates, mormon deposited in cumorah, about three hundred and eightyfour years after christ. We know for a fact that the final nephite battle did occur around the hill cumorah near palmyra new york, and when the book of mormon is no longer associated exclusively with the mormon church, we will identify the location of an actual nephite camp that was last used during the final battle and has been untouched to this day. May 19, 2019 the argument for locating the hill cumorah in mesoamerica originates from the idea that many scholars felt that joseph smith stated that the lands of the book of mormon where in central america. Jul 15, 2017 were continuing our conversation with david rosenvall. There are geographical conditions required for the book of mormon hill cumorah. Connections to the book of mormon joseph knew mormon media network final battle near buffalo nyin the book of mormon, in the 6th chapter of mormon, the nephites gather to the land cumorah for the final battles with the lamanites. David hocking, rod meldrum, jonathan neville, boyd tuttle, amberli nelson, wayne may, and rian nelson. Hes the guy who came up with who came up with the idea that the book of mormon lands may have occurred in the baja peninsula. Allen many members of the church are not aware that the hill ramah of the jaredites is the same hill as the hill cumorah of the nephites see ether 15.
Omer true book of mormon geography lands, western new. Its a fact, the book of mormon prophesied it would come forth on book of mormon lands its a fact, jesus said the book of mormon would come forth on the same land where he preached anciently details are under cumorah and spiritual geography on the main menu. The most fundamental element of book of mormon geography hinges on the account of omer. The book of mormon west sea and east sea, on the other hand, are proper nouns that is, they are the actual names of bodies of water that situate on the west and on the east respectively, of the lands of zarahemla and nephi. From the valley of alma to zarahemla was a 12 day journey on foot. Book of mormongeographynew worldhill cumorah fairmormon. Start with the hill cumorah in new york, as described in letter vii, and proceed from there. And anyone that takes the time to research, will find that the island was not that big, certainly not the continents that most map makers place the book of mormon lands on.
Oct 07, 2019 connections to the book of mormon joseph knew mormon media network final battle near buffalo nyin the book of mormon, in the 6th chapter of mormon, the nephites gather to the land cumorah for the final battles with the lamanites. As near as i can tell, the primary source that the mesoamerican proponents rely on to reject the new york cumorah from an archaeological standpoint is an article by john e. The argument for locating the hill cumorah in mesoamerica originates from the idea that many scholars felt that joseph smith stated that the lands of the book of mormon where in central america. One of the most important was provided by the small group of men limhi sent from the land of nephi to zarahemla to enlist the nephites aid against the lamanites, who were holding. Garth norman, bookofmormon geography study on the narrow neck of land region, privately circulated book of mormon geography working paper no. After decades of accepting the mesoamerican theory, ive changed to the north american setting. If the nephite battle occurred in palmyra as the evidence reflects and as early church statements confirm, the account of omer locates. The book of mormon lands fit in mesoamerica and no where else. If mormon chapter 6 is a literal description of the destruction of the nephites by the lamanites approximately 100. There are times when there is not the opportunity to get a clear understanding of what the traveler saw and these bulletins will help with that understanding.
The book of mormon strongly implies that the hill cumorah is near the narrow neck of land morm. Nov 29, 2018 the book of mormon describes the final battle place between the nephites and lamanites as the land and hill cumorah. The limited geography theory or lgt is a nontraditional interpretation of the text, but one that has gained wide acceptance among the book of mormon scholars and readers over the last 60 years. The book of mormon geography geography map, dna, lands. A summary of several theories of book of mormon lands in mesoamerica the contents of all bmaf publications are the sole responsibility of the individual authors and therefore do not necessarily represent the views of bmaf or the church of jesus christ of latterday saints. While it has been commonly believed that the hill in new york where joseph smith received the gold plates is the same hill. This book locates everything from the narrow neck, to zarahemla, from cumorah, to the land of promise, bountiful.
Much of the concern has resulted because the word cumorah does not appear in saints. It incorporates much of what i have learned since this journey began in august, 2011. The scientific search for nephite remains mormons in transition. Ramahcumorah is in a land with high average annual rainfall 5 mormon 6. Sorenson, an ancient american setting, 34353, an apologist for the critics.
The presence of so many necks of land even divided ones throughout the great lakes region, should hint to the thoughtful student of the book of mormon, that the principle lands of the book of mormon, near cumorah, including the narrow neck of land, and the narrow pass, are more localized, they are coastal like the land of israel the. The circumstances surrounding these statements and their being attributed to joseph smith can be disputed. As each new theory surfaces, we gain fresh hope of acquiring additional insights into it ancient location, but are all too often disappointed. Reviews of old research the book of mormon in north america. Purpose of the book of mormon tour helps these single page descriptions of a specific book of mormon site are designed to provide pertinent information to the traveler about the site. Book of mormon geography the encyclopedia of mormonism. The hill cumorah hill ramah book of mormon vacation tours. Book of mormon geography, the near cumorah setting there have been numerous attempts to locate the long, lost lands of the book of mormon over the years.
Just because there happens to be a hill called cumorah in new york does. Some say that if archeologists havent found it, it. In the text of the book of mormon, cumorah is a hill located in a land of the same name, which is a land of many. Outlined in blue is the area around hill cumorah, in modernday new york state. This omission has led some to believe that we left out. Home true book of mormon geography lands western new york. Book of mormon lands january 12, 2015 several times our followers have commented that they wish the church would make an official statement about where the book of mormon lands are located to remove the confusion that exists about them being located in mezoamerica. Review of exploring the lands of the book of mormon, by joseph l. My book of mormon says that about 4 million total were killed there along with many horses and chariots, spears, bows, armor. Book of mormon lands the near cumorah setting youtube. Saints and book of mormon geography church history. A summary of several theories of book of mormon lands in. The book of mormon says cumorah is near an eastern seacoast.
In the text of the book of mormon, cumorah originally camorah,1830 edition is a land situated in a land of many waters, rivers and fountains. When moroni, about thirtysix years after, made the deposit of the book entrusted to him, he was, without doubt, inspired to select a department of the hill separate from the great depository of the numerous volumes hid up by his father. May 15, 2015 book of mormon lands the near cumorah setting. From the west sea to the east sea at the narrow neck of land was 1 to 1 12 days.
Theories of book of mormon lands in mesoamerica showing 11 of 1 messages. Book of mormon geography, the near cumorah setting book. There are names from ancient egypt which resemble cumorah. Gods word is to be established by two or more witnesses 2 cor. Can david answer critics questions about animals, steel. These principal book of mormon lands are southward from the land northward mentioned in helaman 3. However, i do know that mesoamerica is the place mormon and moroni described in their abridgment. Scientific and scriptural analyses have been presented beginning in the 1940s proposing the hypothesis that the hill cumorah in ne. Home true book of mormon geography lands western new. There are actually many statements by church leaders that the book of mormon civilization was in the united states. Several times our followers have commented that they wish the church would make an official statement about where the book of mormon lands are located to remove the confusion that exists about them being located in mezoamerica.
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